Antediluvians: Lineage of Caine
(3 views from the 'Net on the lineage descended from Caine)




Version 1

Caine or Kaen or Khayyin was the first vampire. Okay, so that's obvious.
I subscribe to the five (or seven members if you believe the Assamites)
of the 2nd generation theory. 
Irad the Strong, Zillah the Beautiful, Enoch First Ruler, Haqim and
Ravnos (yes, I believe the story in the Ravnos book. I'll show you why
in a minute).

Now it gets complicated. So I'll do it by clan.

Assamite: Khayyin then Haqim
Baali: Caine then Enoch then Cappadocius then Shaitan
Brujah: Caine then Irad then Brujah the Troile (diablerized Brujah)
Cappadocian: Caine then Enoch then Cappadocius (I also believe he is Ashur. More later)
Gangrel: Kaen then Ravnos then Ennoia (She was cursed by Kaen and given Protean)
Giovanni: Caine then Enoch then Cappadocius then Giovanni (diablerized Cappadocius)
Lasombra: Caine then Irad then Lasombra then Gratiano (diablerized Lasombra)
Malkavian: Caine then Enoch then Malkav
Nosferatu: Caine then Zillah then Absimiliard (then two branchs,
Nicktuku and Nosferatu)
Ravnos: Kaen then Ravnos
Salubri: Caine then Enoch then Saulot
Setites: Caine then Zillah then Set
Toreador: Caine then Zillah then Arikel
Tremere: Caine then Enoch then Saulot then Tremere (diablerized Saulot)
Tzimisce: Caine then Irad then Tzimisce then Logoj? (diablerized? Tzimisce)
Ventrue: Caine then Enoch then Ventrue

Okay, now to defend some of these placements. 

Although Tremere himself diablerized Saulot, the Tremere originally 
became vampires through the blood of a Tsimitze(sp)

The first is the whole Cappadocius/Ashur thing. Shaitan is a 4th
generation Baali, and the oldest of his clan. His sire was Ashur. So
Ashur contrary to popular mythology has to be 3rd generation. It says in
the Cappadocian clanbook that some suspect that Cappadocius was actually
Ashur. Maybe he spawned the Baali and then changed his name out of
shame. The only other option I see here is that Ashur was 3rd generation
and sired both the Baali and the Cappadocians. Actually now that I think
about it, that might not be so far fetched. Shaitan sought comfort from
those in the nether regions while Cappadocius sought enlightment from
above. Maybe Ashur wanted to see who was right, kind of a taste test if
you will. "Do you prefer Death Flavor A or B?"

The latter of the two options would seem to be the more likely of the two,
considering the information from the Dark Ages books.  Either that, or
Ashur and Cappadocius are not related other then through the blood of
Enoch.

According to the Dark Ages books, Shaitan is actually sired in much the 
same way that the Tremere were, using one of Saulot's childer, Ashur, the 
most beloved of all Saulot's childer.

If you notice that all of Irad the Strong's Progeny were diablerized, it
creates an interesting idea. What if that was part of his plan. Maybe he
was called the strong because he only accepted those who were strong.
When the founders became to weak he encouraged thier underlings to take
them out. Maybe he was the founder of Enochian Darwinism

The children of Zillah the Beautiful all were very attractive. Thus the
whole Toreador, Nosferatu thing. The Setites go in there because I feel
that Set was most likely highly attractive, being a demigod and all
that. Sensual pleasures were his thing, and that fits with Zillah's
brood.

Enoch seemed to have a thing for people with far seeing vision. Most of
his children seemed to have Caine's ear at some point. Saulot deffinetly
fit into the mystical field as did Cappadocius. And Malkav was
Cappadocius brother and had a special sight of his own. Ventrue just
fits nicely with the whole First-Ruler bit.



Version 2

First Generation
Caine

Second Generation
Enoch the Wise, Irad [Jrad?] the Strong and Zillah the Beautiful.
(Enoch is also spelled 'Enosh' in places), the Crone, and the King and
Queen claimed by Assamites to be diablerized by Haqim.

Antediluvians
If you go by biblical reckoning, The Antediluvians are presumably around 4500-5000
years old.

The Main Vampire Rulebook _suggests_ that there are 13 clans, and it also
says that currently it is thought that only 7 Antediluvians still exist
(V:tM, pg 52). In his letter to Mina Harker at the beginning of the book,
Vlad states that, in his research, he has come across various writings
which state that the Third Generation numbered at 9, 27, 100, and 0. He
wasn't sure which one was correct (V:tM, pg 13).

Absimiliard        [Nosferatu]     - alive and well, and.... hungry
Arikel             [Toreador]      - alive and well in Torpor
Ashur/Lucien       [Cappadocians]  - Diablerized by A. Giovanni
Brujah             [Brujah]        - Diablerized by Troile, his Childe
Set/Setekh         [F. of Set]     - alive and well in Torpor
Ennoia             [Gangrel]       - alive and well in Torpor
Augustus Giovanni  [Giovanni]      - alive and well, Diablerized Ashur/Capp.
Haquim/Assam       [Assamites]     - alive and well [1] in Torpor
Lasombra/Lambech   [Lasombra]      - According to various books, diablerized
                                     by Gratiano, an Assamite Anarch, or a
                                     Caitiff known as the Stoneman, OR, he
                                     was not diablerized and is actually
                                     alive in body of Gratiano. Up to you. 
Malkav             [Malkavians]    - in Torpor under the Middle East
Dannae             [Ravnos]        - alive and well in Torpor
Saulot             [Salubri]       - Diablerized by Tremere
Tremere            [Tremere]       - napping in Vienna [?] Diablerized Saulot
                                     but he's not a slug.
Troile             [Brujah]        - Diablerized Brujah
Mekhet             [Tzimisces]     - allegedly diablerized, but according to
                                     "Children of the Inquisition" not so.
                                     In care of the Zantosa ghoul family.
Veddartha          [Ventrue]       - rumored to have been killed by a Brujah, 
                                     but that's almost certainly a myth

Methusalehs
Baba Yaga, 4th     [Absimiliard]     Rage Across Russia
Shaitan, 4th       [Ashur]           The Chaos Factor, Baali founder
Mithras, 4th       [Veddartha]       WoD, 1st Ed.
Japheth, 4th       [Cappadocian]     Childer of Cappadocius



version 3

This is by no means canon, but it works for me.

Enoch: Toreador, Malkavian, Salubri (and subsequently Tremere), possibly some eastern clans (this last from the Toreador clanbook which states that perhaps Enoch didn't die at the hands of the third generation, having disappeared into the Land of Nod.) There is a strong mental component in the lineage; all of Enoch's childer have Auspex. They are of the SEER lineage.

Zillah: Nosferatu, Setite, Assamite. Stealthy and lethal hunters, all share the common root of Obfuscate. They are of the HUNTER lineage.

Irad: Brujah, Cappadocian (later Giovanni), Lasombra, Ventrue. Irad was Caine's general and advisor, and as such his childer are either born to lead (Lasombra, Ventrue) or offer counsel (Brujah, Cappadocian). No unifying disciplines, though both Dominate and Fortitude are common. They are of the PHILOSOPHER-KING lineage.

The Crone (aka Lilith): Gangrel, Ravnos, Tzimisce. A line of shapers, be it form (Gangrel), images (Ravnos), or flesh (Tzimisce). Animalism is their root discipline. Their lineage is SHIFTER.


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